Chapter 1 - General Discussion

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Chapter 1 - General Discussion

Postby animeprincess » March 28th, 2011, 12:22 am

I know that everyone is presently involved in reading TAF2, but, after talking with some members of the forum, we decided we were ready to start discussing some of the other stories in MRS-J's series. It Matters is story number 2 in series.

Within the first five paragraphs of Chapter 1, we learn how very, very smart this 12 year old boy, Mail, already is.

Beginning the conversation is Roger:

"Your results consistently place you squarely third in this House. It doesn't matter what subject, what section of the IQ tests, even the sporting events... third. Precisely third." He leaned forward. "Mail, has it not occurred to you just how unlikely that is? You've slipped up just once, when you accidentally achieved first place in a Computer Science project. Mrs Wendum said you did not react well when those were posted."

Mail shrugged,
"You can't expect me to beat Mihael and Nate, they're too good." The boy, to all extents and purposes, appeared almost mockingly relaxed, but there was a slight tension to his shoulders and his gaze was a touch too intent.


In a cursory reading it would appear that young Matt truly believed that Nate and Mihael were just too good; too much smarter than he was; much more athletic that he was (well, maybe Mello was); better in computers than he was. But, no, when you reread it again, and factor in some of the body language that our author has added - appeared almost mocking relaxed.

"I'm not at liberty to discuss the results of the other children with you." Roger spoke primly, but a smile danced upon his features. "However I will say this - Mihael and Nate work flat out, as hard as they can, to achieve their positions. Nate has made the number one spot his own, though sheer relentless effort, and Mihael is putting his all into overtaking him." He leaned forward. "Mail, you put no effort in at all, you do not apply yourself, and you are number three. What would happen if we saw your best?"


Is Roger alluding to the fact that Matt is actually smarter than Nate and Mihael? It would appear so to me.


Mail's gaze had already slid away, surveying the bookcase, the window and the tree outside, the carpet, anywhere but the man on the chair beside him. That mischevious smirk had returned though,
"I'd be number three."



And there it is. I believe this truly supports my theory in TAF2, which, for any newcomers, is that Matt works very hard to allow Mello to look the best. He loves Mello so very much he would never want him to feel second best again. Now it takes a true genius to do that.

But to me, the best ... the best part of this chapter is the pseudonyms. I imagine with all of the cases L and Watari took on there were certain inherint dangers that could be brought back to Wammys. As it was, we already know that when the children are brought to Wammys they were instructed that they were to never speak their native language (unless it was English) again; nothing to make them easily identifiable. Can you imagine, you just loose your family, your swept away from the land you know and brought to another, a new house (Wammy's), a new family (Quillish, Roger, Ann, the other children), and now you are asked to give up any personal possession you have and then, give up the name that your parents gave you! For those that remember that must feel like the ultimate act of betrayal. Back on point .... it was Mail's turn to choose a pseudonym. Everytime Roger asked, Mail's response was "It doesn't matter." or some variation thereof.

Then Roger tries goading Mail another way, still with the same response until finally his temper wears thin.

Roger had foreseen another long argument, so had already figured out the chink in this boy's armour.
"Mihael has already changed his name." He hid his triumphant smile, as Mail's expression changed. Shock had registered there and wonder with it. "From now on, we will refer to Mihael as Mello." He pressed home his advantage. "Nate will be Near... and you?"

"It doesn't matter."

"It matters." Roger was tiring of this. Though he prided himself on endless patience with the children, Mail's seeming stubbornness in not applying himself, nor taking advantage of the opportunities on offer in this institution, were irksome. "Matt." He made a note on the paperwork before him. "I will ask the other children... I will inform Mello that your name will be Matt."


I must confess that I can't recall if this is where we learned where Mail, from now known as Matt, got his goggles, but, we learn that he received them as a free gift in a racing box. We are to assume that he removed them during his interview with Roger, at his request, because, as we know, they do make Matt's eyes unreadable.

Along those same lines, in a very early chapter of TAF2, Mello informed Matt that if he ever truly wanted anything from him, to remove his goggles so that he could see his husband's beautiful eyes. It interesting that as I go back now to the earlier stories how many points I am seeing in the later stories (hope that made senses).

I'm not too sure I brought up too much to discuss in this chapter, but I have included the link and I invite you to start reading/rereading the story along with me so we can discuss future chapters together.
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Re: Chapter 1 - General Discussion

Postby BeyondsWaraNingyo » March 28th, 2011, 4:46 pm

I wish I could go and re-read the chapter right now and be able to bring up new points... but my school caught on to me (since they blocked it a few days after I started reading this very series on there) and blocked AFF, and MangaBullet was already blocked. So, alas, I cannot. Instead I'll use the quotes and points you made ^^

For the body language, when I try to imitate the way the body language was described, it's the same way I position myself when I'm at a relative's house. I really don't want to be there but I don't want to seem rude. Still, I radiate "stay the hell away from me" vibes. So that's what I would imagine.

I think Roger was trying to run circles around Matt, but failed, quite miserably. Realizing that Matt didn't want to be smarter than Mello and Near, so he tried to avoid saying it outright.

Now I see what you meant. I think that your theory is way, way more apparent in It Matters, than in TAF2, since it's not really the main point. Here, it pretty much IS the plot. Therefore, I am officially pro on your theory =)

Now skipping over to the name choosing, he used the same technique to try to get Matt to pick a new name, basically trying to use peer pressure. Which as I believe, at that point in time, he was very vulnerable to. If Mello was doing something, he wanted to do it too, so as not to get left behind. Still, he probably figured that he didn't want to cave and give Roger the absolute that the peer pressure technique worked.

Well, it's the same but different. But, yeas that happens a lot. I think that's mostly because Matt pushes things under the rug, and they come back up later. Whether it's Mello, Roger someone else, or Matt himself who makes them come back out.

P.S. I love quotes <3 So helpful when you can't refer back to the story. ^^
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Re: Chapter 1 - General Discussion

Postby animeprincess » March 28th, 2011, 5:04 pm

I have a supporter!! Yay!

Your right, Roger was absolutely trying to use the peer pressure approach.

Even though we are told Roger is brillian in his own right otherwise why would Quillish choose him. It still must be difficult to work amongst a group of child genii... detectives at that.

Will keep with the quotes - damn that school for blocking you.

Will put up Chapter 2 here and next TAF in a bit.
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Re: Chapter 1 - General Discussion

Postby BeyondsWaraNingyo » March 28th, 2011, 5:13 pm

Yeah, you've got to feel for Roger.

Genius intellegence + Immaturity + Pressure = Disaster. Disaster Children + Roger + Roger's Inner Psychologist = Failure?

A little Roger math. XP

Yay quotes ^^, the next chapter of #2 TAF? <.< >.> I mustn't look for fear of spoilers... But it's so tempting X3
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Re: Chapter 1 - General Discussion

Postby mrsj » March 28th, 2011, 5:21 pm

Look at the EHC forum here. It might have something interesting for you. >.>
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Re: Chapter 1 - General Discussion

Postby S-K » March 28th, 2011, 11:09 pm

And there it is. I believe this truly supports my theory in TAF2, which, for any newcomers, is that Matt works very hard to allow Mello to look the best. He loves Mello so very much he would never want him to feel second best again. Now it takes a true genius to do that.

But I think we already know since "Watari" that Matt's always trying to hide how smart he really is. The whole series evolve around that idea, or that's how interpreted it. Well, the last 2 novels (Annals) are a bit different.
But I think even Mello is somewhat aware of that, though they will avoid that subject, of course XD
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Re: Chapter 1 - General Discussion

Postby animeprincess » March 29th, 2011, 12:05 am

Mello was so fast to shut Matt down with The Mario Clause. Don't you recall when Matt was worrying himself, literally sick, because by decoding TMC, he thought, and rightly so, that he was intended to be #1, and when he finally told Mello, Mello basically laughed at him.

So, you're saying that Mello knew that Matt was supposed to be #1 and that he relinquished it for him? Well, don't you think that would cause all sorts of resentment between them? (Should do this under the right category, but, oh well.)
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Re: Chapter 1 - General Discussion

Postby S-K » March 29th, 2011, 12:16 am

Oh well, the discussion started here, I think it'd kill it to move it somewhere else.

I think mello knows, and I also think his love for Matt is big enough to get over it. I've been getting that impression since Watari and The Mello Code. I don't know if Matt's aware of that or if he thinks Mello is still fooled, but maybe they just don't talk about it because is a difficult subject, taking the circunstances. But yes, i think Mello had learnt he's better than Near (when he rescued him from that hotel room in London) and is now a bit over the whole ranking thing.
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Re: Chapter 1 - General Discussion

Postby animeprincess » March 29th, 2011, 12:24 pm

I have to respectfully disagree with your statement that Mello has gotten over the rankings. Everything he does is motivated by those rankings.

When he is amongst he Wammy peers, invariably, one of them will say, as in TAF2 with Dee, the line was, and I'm paraphrasing,
"I was so stupid." says Dee
"You are not stupid. You were number 4." by Mello
As the recounting of the tale continues
Matt pipes in with something like "We have a new number 3."

The examples are aplenty when they are together.

I wonder, while I have NO DOUBTS of Mello's love for Matt, do you think that perhaps The Mario Code incident, plays subconsciously. I mean the fact that Matt truly was meant to be the coveted "L", like during some of these more abusive sessions. Especially during that brutal scene, "Poor, poor Mihael."
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Re: Chapter 1 - General Discussion

Postby S-K » March 29th, 2011, 2:45 pm

Well, he sure acts more inmature when the other Wammys are around.
But I think Mello is smart enough to see the truth. Near did a small trick to save Matt's secret, but I doubt neither Near nor Mello actually believed it. They're meant to be very good at deduction... if Roger could see Matt's potential, i'm sure Mello can too.

Sorry, I don't know what scene are to refering to. Which novel is it from?
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